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Post by Matt Elrod on Nov 11, 2011 1:26:30 GMT -5
Hello Coby and Sugar. I'm actually very happy to see the two of you in the finals. I have to say that right now, I'm pretty evenly split between the two of you. If I had to give an edge, I'd say I'm 51/49 in favor of Coby right now. I don't see much separating your strategic games from one another and I know you both talked to other players, so I can't really differentiate between your social games. Coby, you get brownie points for winning three immunities. Sugar, you get brownie points for reaching the Final 3 and being in a situation where you would be in the finals no matter who won Final Immunity (yes, I would have taken you had I won). Now, when it comes to the strategy aspect of the game (something I put a lot of weight on), I want to hear more from the two of you. I feel like I was definitely the most vocal player in the game when it came to what I wanted. I threw out Amber's name, BRob's name, Christine's name, and Julie's name the round each of them went while other players were messaging asking who we should vote for. However, I feel like I know you two well-enough to say with a good amount of certainty that neither of you are coattail riders. Coby, our only previous experience in a game together was one where you were a host, but I still feel like I know you as a strong strategist. Sugar, we just met this game (as far as I know since you provided an alias AIM), but you also strike me as the type of person who will strategize and make sure she always has a back-up plan. So, what I want to know from you two is: What were your strategic moves in the game? I was too focused on getting what I wanted achieved that I'm sure I missed parts of what the two of you were doing in the game. And now, in a change of direction, there's something else that I wanted to ask. I feel like the moment I lost this game is the moment I half-assed the Final Immunity Challenge. I feel like I had put myself out there enough this game to have a strong argument to win had I made finals. If I had to choose the one moment that cost me the game, I'd say it was letting my heart get in the way and not wanting to betray either of you, so I didn't go all-out in the challenge (I still tried cause I'm not a quitter  ). So, what I want to know from you two is: What was the moment in each juror's game that a move or decision they[/i] made cost them the game?[/b] You don't have to include me if you don't want to, since I already said one for myself. However, if you have a different point of view on the moment I cost myself the game, then you can feel free to say so. Also, if you wind up getting second place in this game, what is the single biggest moment in your game that cost you the win?Thank you both for your time. No matter which one of you wins this game, I know I can be happy for you. |
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Post by Coby Archa on Nov 11, 2011 3:34:08 GMT -5
So, what I want to know from you two is: What were your strategic moves in the game? I was too focused on getting what I wanted achieved that I'm sure I missed parts of what the two of you were doing in the game. I think it's hard for any of us to say we made moves pre-merge outside of getting to know each other & forming alliances. But to cover that a bit...I did work that the best I could to get myself in good with You, Sugar & Christine...who I felt were the 3 polar players of our original tribe. I wanted you 3 comfortable with me so that if something was to go down...I'd be one of the first you went to. And I was. Post-merge was different. That's when the game REALLY began for us. For me...I tried to plant ideas in people's heads in hopes it would make their goals the same as mine...or to essentially put them in a position I could use to my advantage. Examples of this would be making Rob out to be a larger threat so you'd want him out ASAP: (11:17:47 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Did you get a PM from Rob?
(11:18:11 PM) Alumni - Rdavis4963: <HTML>I haven't checked in the past half hour
(11:18:21 PM) Alumni - Rdavis4963: <HTML>Nope, no PM from Rob
(11:18:53 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: He sent me one basically asking me to vote with him.
(11:19:11 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: I'm good with voting Amber btw.
(11:19:27 PM) Alumni - Rdavis4963: <HTML>Did he do it Terry-style from Exile Island and say "Let me take the burder of Tribal Council off your shoulders for the next few rounds"?
(11:20:23 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: LOL!! Basically said "You have 3 votes if you want to use them. I'm not sending this to anyone else."
(11:20:48 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Can't believe someone would only send it to ONE person...so I figured I'd ask ya. |
Nobody had even mentioned Rob's name until I started that then all of a sudden...he was the enemy #1. <3 Then while you guys were trying to secure votes for Rob, I was already planting the seeds to take Christine out next: (7:55:37 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Has Christine spoke to you?
(8:29:22 PM) Alumni - Rdavis4963: <HTML>Not lately
(8:29:54 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: She wants to blindside Sugar this TC.
(8:30:01 PM) Alumni - Rdavis4963: <HTML>Why?
(8:30:24 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: She doesn't trust her.
(8:30:55 PM) Alumni - Rdavis4963: <HTML>I think we need to get Rob out before turning on any of our own.
(8:31:57 PM) Alumni - Rdavis4963: <HTML>Rob's proven that he's good at the challenges. At least better than Sugar.
(8:31:57 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: That's what I said. But she said she was going to ask the rest of you. |
To guarantee my plan worked, I sent this out to Sugar/Brett/Matt... Sent to Brett/Matt/Sugar.
John/Christine/Julie are making a move. They asked me if I'd help vote Sugar out. I said no. I just got word from Lex that they asked him. If they nab him then we're fucked cause you have more past votes Sugar. >.< |
In reality, neither John nor Julie ever expressed such an idea to me. Christine did, but only through my encouragement: (10:53:35 PM) stephenie1221: i am actually annoyed by Sugar
(10:53:42 PM) stephenie1221: she is acting crazy in this challenge
(10:54:02 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: right lol
(10:54:28 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: twice she went early.
(10:54:32 PM) stephenie1221: mhm
(10:54:43 PM) stephenie1221: she is a loose cannon
(10:55:36 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: From what I gather she's also made finals deals with everyone from our group. LOL
(10:56:05 PM) stephenie1221: Honestly i think we should blindisde her this round
(10:56:16 PM) stephenie1221: she is not going to expect it
(10:56:28 PM) stephenie1221: and yes she is making deals with everybody
(10:59:31 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Well, see what others think.
(10:59:39 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: ^.^
(10:59:50 PM) stephenie1221: well if you are down i am down
(10:59:58 PM) stephenie1221: now if you want to wait a little bit more then thats fine with me
(11:00:06 PM) stephenie1221: i'm cool with whatever you think
(12:09:15 AM) stephenie1221: hey
(12:09:19 AM) stephenie1221: you still there ?
(12:10:16 AM) Alumni - Nemle22: nyup
(12:10:32 AM) Alumni - Nemle22: Had to do host duties.
(12:10:48 AM) stephenie1221: so what do you think about what i said ?
(12:12:05 AM) Alumni - Nemle22: I'd honestly prefer to wait until 1 more of the others are gone, but if you get the others ony board I guess it's cools.
(12:12:32 AM) stephenie1221: alright
(12:12:38 AM) stephenie1221: i will let you know whats up for sure |
So when Lex came to me to tell me they offered him the chance to vote with him...I was already aware cause I was responsible for pushing it. I knew he and Matt were close, so I spent some time talking reason with Lex. I appealed to 2 things intentionally when we spoke. First being simple his performance in this game. I gave him a scenerio that put him in a prime position and appealed to his sense of power. The second being Matt. I made sure to seem I was with him & Matt all the way so he'd have that extra security. I gave him that option to work with a friend and his ally....knowing the friend would keep you over the ally: (4:13:53 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Any thoughts?
(4:14:37 PM) AllenSurvivor: The only possibilty for you to stay is if you vote for Sugar thats the last chance cause then it comes down to who had more votes in the past and Sugar did so if you vote with me, Julie and Christine then you are safe for a very long time
(4:14:46 PM) AllenSurvivor: got that PM from John
(4:16:39 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: To which you'd simply be used, at best get 4th and give all the credit for your survival to being blackmailed.
(4:18:41 PM) AllenSurvivor: don't know what other choice I have for this vote but believe him, no-one else is talking to me and you said your not sure what happening
(4:19:57 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Well if that info is legit then there's another path.
(4:20:46 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Use it against them. Let it be why them 3 get sent home 1-1-1.
(4:20:58 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: You're now in the F5.
(4:21:36 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Brett & Sugar are tight and we all know it.
(4:21:59 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: They wouldn't risk a F4 of Them vs Me/Matt.
(4:22:27 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Therefore you'd find yourself to pick a pair to reach the F3 with.
(4:23:07 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: And seeing as it's YOU making the shots...the credit would be yours alone.
(4:26:46 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Just discussing logic is all.
(4:28:04 PM) AllenSurvivor: lol I sent you a PM when i am talking to you on here lol
(4:28:29 PM) AllenSurvivor: my bad lol
(4:28:37 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: *facepalm*
(4:32:00 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Thoughts?
(4:33:30 PM) AllenSurvivor: I think that would be a better plan if it works out
(4:34:32 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Have you spoken to any of the others?
(4:36:08 PM) AllenSurvivor: I pmed Sugar just now depends if she responds to me, I have talked to Matt a few times since the merge but haven't today about the vote
(4:36:58 PM) Alumni - Nemle22: Cools. |
Next was the split Chall/TC round. I knew no matter what I didn't want to be in your (Matt) because of the twist. I was happy when you told me the same. xD We both won that challenge. I had sole say in who would leave and chose to send John home over Sugar. From there it's obvious I suppose. So, what I want to know from you two is: What was the moment in each juror's game that a move or decision they[/i] made cost them the game?[/b] You don't have to include me if you don't want to, since I already said one for myself. However, if you have a different point of view on the moment I cost myself the game, then you can feel free to say so.[/quote] I don't think everyone made a move or said something that cost them. A lot left due to circumstance, relationship or something else out of their control. Here's what I think cost each the game though: Rob: Simply being seen as strong; no single move cost him. Christine: Talking & trusting me probably.  Julie & John: Being associated with Christine & not enough communication w/ others. Brett: Being so tight with Sugar in an obvious way. Lex: Different original tribe than us 3. Matt: You know yours. Also, if you wind up getting second place in this game, what is the single biggest moment in your game that cost you the win? I really don't know. I mean, everyone will base their vote in their own way so to try and sum up why I'd lose to a single reason would be near impossible. I could lose votes for the Christine scandal, for the sole vote against both you and John, for simply being next to the lovely Sugar and who knows why else. But I tried my best, I played this game hard and I made it here. I'm happy with how I played and am proud to be here next to Sugar. So first or second...I'm happy. I'd be happier with first though.  |
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Post by Jessica 'Sugar' Kipper on Nov 12, 2011 10:56:00 GMT -5
I cannot for the life of me getting the triple-quoting thing right for some reason, so I'm gonna have to go straight ghetto with this formatting :c
What were your strategic moves in the game?
Honestly, I think everyone wants to take credit for a lot of the moves that happened this game, and most games for that matter. As much as I love and adore Coby, I know you and I were talking about voting Rob out before the merge even happened XD.
As for my personal moves and mindset and all that jazz, I made a conscious effort to befriend everyone. It was an experiment, I guess, to see if someone could play a good enough social game could get to the end. As sad as it is, I always view ORGs as like... practice, I guess? In the off chance that, y'know, apes start driving mopeds down the street and the clouds part and Survivor wants me to go play the real game, yadda yadda yadda.
But, yeah, I made sure I was on most people's good side and that they liked me. Aside from that damn challenge with the plates where I /WANTED/ out early, because I didn't want to be seen as too much of a social-threat.
Which brings me into my next point, the actual challenges. I mean, I came close to winning two of the challenges (The Trivia Game and the Matchy Game) but for the most part, I didn't try too hard on any of the challenges, because physical threats are such a huge target in the game.
What was the moment in each juror's game that a move or decision they made cost them the game?
Oh jeez, only a few of these are really easy to pinpoint, because a lot of it comes down to circumstance and all that fun stuff.
Matt: I adore you, buddy, but you were like Hulk tearing through the challenges. I know for sure had you gone to the finals, you would have won based just off winning a billion and four individual immunities.
Rob: You just got bad luck of the draw, not to mention we all sort've figured you were the powerhouse on the other tribe and we wanted that gone soon.
Julie, John, Christine: Although, I guess this mostly goes for Christine, since Coby made up the rest XD. I can appreciate big moves being made, even when they're against me, but I think their downfall was trying to get rid of me and telling the wrong people. XD
Lex: Like with Matt, you were sort've destined to win had you made the finals. I don't think there's a single person who would've voted against the last remaining Kweneng. It's nothing you could've changed, but it's all I have!
Brett: I'm really not sure, but I guess we were too close? In which case I'm sorry and I didn't mean to cost you the game :/
Also, if you wind up getting second place in this game, what is the single biggest moment in your game that cost you the win?
Oh lord, definitely not having such a spectacular immunity-run XD But I'm okay with that! Real-Sugar wasn't so great at immunities either, so it's like I'm staying true to her! XD
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